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Jeff

Christian,
You are a brave man diving into this effort. But reading your post reminded me of a recent discussion I had with a colleague about the direction of "business" virtual worlds. It was sparked by the ever-present rumors of Google's foray into the VW market called "MyWorld." My thoughts are basically this.

There has been a lot of talk about a Google social networking applications. I see MyWorld and this social networking piece being intertwined. Imagine a sort of combination of Facebook and SecondLife. You would have so many new and different ways to interact with your contacts. When you log into your profile you would be able to see which of your contacts were in the virtual world and where they are. You could join them if you want, or maybe just IM them to see what they are doing. I see Google completely opening this up so that Facebook users could also participate. Facebook is never going to build a virtual world so they should be happy to join in. Once this happens, all the other social networks would be forced to join in or be left in the cold. And there you have it, Google is the center of the "Virtual Networking World"

Another benefit, and a huge one in my eyes, is that you would be able to take your "reputation" into the virtual world through your social network profile. Currently this capability is not available which I feel is a shortcoming of SecondLife. This would seem to be a necessity for a business type virtual world.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. And while we're talking Dennis Miller, he mentioned a great quote the other day from some guy I've never heard of..."The English language is the creme de la creme of all languages." That's a classic.

Alex

Cristian, your analysis of VW domain is deep, insightful and... plain awesome. Thank you so very much for doing what you do.

2Jeff,
I'm not quite sure that being able to "take your "reputation" into the virtual world through your social network profile" will ever be valued very much. It's the same old 'single-sign-on' saga... It just didn't happen (for many more or less obvious reasons). Also, VW is a 'reputaion' and 'profile' in itself! And I completely agree that web-vw mashups will be multiple, very interesting and are the most promising direction to move in.

Regards.

Prokofy Neva

Christian,

Great to see you at VW 07 and glad you got this conversation going. It's fascinating and important.

My own sense is that we don't need to rush headlong into making VWs thin out and "become the Internet" or make flash and browser games and social networking sites like Facebook fatten up and "become worlds". It's more than fine to have a line that divides not even 2-D and 3-D, but immersiveness versus augmentation, for example.

1. If you create the 3-D Internet out of worlds and subscriber games tomorrow, it will be so heavy technically, and so expensive to design, operate and maintain as a "Metaverse" that only wealthy educated urban centers will be hooked up to it. On the other hand, if you dumb down immersive complex worlds to fit into a browser on the existing lighter Internet, you will destroy the integrity of the economies and social and business relationships created in these "walled gardens" -- and there is no need for that, and it is more than fine to grow them slower and therefore with more stability and stakeholders.

2. I'd like to see you come up with some formula to reduce the figure of 40 million by the number of multiple platforms/games/worlds used by one person. You can't say there are 40 million users of virtual worlds if in fact that includes lots of my alts not only in one game, but my memberships in a dozen worlds. What is the factor to divide by? 6? 10?

3. I'm sorry, but my Yahoo "avatar" on one of my Yahoo accounts, who is a 2-D pixelated eye-blinking creature to whom I happened to give the same name as my Second Life avatar and dress him similarly, is NOT my Second Life avatar by that name, and frankly, I'm not so especially eager to join them at the hip like Siamese twins.

They are very different in their roles and functions -- though related -- and I'm happy to keep it that way. Whatever bridge there exists between worlds and applications, it really needs to be a bridge, and not a weld, and an opt-in, and not an opt-out.

I have no objective need for a Global Avatar, Christian. To paraphrase Walt Whitman, "I am large, I contain simultitudes." : ) I'd really like to see the hard sociological or marketing research data on users wanting this, as distinct from geeks.

Now, as to OpenID, yes, I realize they have fixed up the site to be more user-friendly and FINALLY given the average non-geek user an easier sign-up "Create your ID now" instead of "have a geeky dev discussion now!"

HOWEVER, there are still many babysteps filled with too many decisions and problems chasing people away, even people like me who are non-technical but will spend an hour to parse something out.

o The screen tells you if you have AOL or one of the other services, you may already have an "open ID". But...wait a minute! I don't want my AOL password now to be going to gadzillion VW related OpenID sites, let's say, to be sucked up by third-party fanboy sites who may be my enemies in games or worlds. I want a brand-new OpenID that I will use just for virtual worlds, let's say. Does my AOL id in fact open up OpenID? I can't find the answer to that question -- and so I give up.

o Or...let's say I persist. So then I'm faced with a list of a dozen providers, some non-English language, which makes sense, but the others there evidently only to give diversity because many companies want a piece of this or something. So I'm baffled again -- which provider to pick? why? Can't you all get along and make just one OPENID creation button, then have the offering of diverse company services (language, theme, whatever) later?

o So...let's say I got through those two hurdles. Now I go to a blog that says "Use your OpenID here". And whoops...it doesn't work. Why? Because of...extensions? Or...something? who knows?

Here's how it *has* to work:

o one-stop shopping -- one web page to rule them all (sorry, doesn't sound so open does it?!) where I get one button to make my account

o *then* a list of everything under the sun that I might wish to identify for myself, with an optional check-off, so that I can decide "for this gaming site, I will put the minimum; for this work-related site, I will put the maximum". The slider has to be on the customers' side.

I have had the enormously frustrating experience of trying to use OpenID so many times, with the best of will, that I have now given up, and I am back to letting many systems just pick my Live Journal ID or go with Anonymous and write in my known avatar name. Seriously, I so want this to work -- and it doesn't yet.

I've blogged about some of my other concerns here about interop here:
http://metaversed.com/11-oct-2007/behind-closed-doors-tech-giants-discuss-virtual-world-interoperability

Prokofy

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